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Paternal Ancestry of ?Margaretta Prichard (est 1650 - ?1728)

10th Generation back from ?Margaretta Prichard

10.JOHN Line 640.THOMAS ap DAFYDD ap GRUFFUDD (abt 1330 - aft 1398)

Another royal "policeman," THOMAS’s interesting career documented by Griffiths' Principality, is in the HISTORICAL NARRATIVE. He had at least three sons besides our 320.THOMAS FYCHAN who are similarly identified as royal officials (Bartrum, Elystan Glodrydd 51), and he was an ancestor of the herald David Edwardes.

641.GWENLLIAN f. RHYS ap LLYWELYN (est b.1350 - ?)

She descended from RHYS CHWITH (the left-handed) according to her pedigree recorded by Ieuan Brechfa c.1500 in Peniarth 131 and by Gruffudd Hiraethog in Peniarth 133 (numbered by Bartrum as Rhys Chwith 1), but we found no historical confirmation of the marriage. This family was apparently from the Cardigan area, and one of her sons (not in our direct line) moved to that county, Dafydd of Gwernan (Bartrum, Elystan Glodrydd 51). He became deputy justiciar of south Wales, and died in 1444 as Lord of Lampeter and Aberaeron (Griffiths, Principality, p.142).

644.RHYS ap GRUFFUDD ap LLYWELYN FOETHUS (est b. aft 1410)

RHYS had an interesting career of royal service documented by Griffiths, but he was especially notable for his changing political adherence, which was documented by his contemporaries and by the royal pardon he received after his support for the rebellion of Owain Glyn Dwr. See the HISTORICAL NARRATIVE for this documentation.

645.ELSBETH/MAWD, daughter of Sir WILLIAM CLEMENT (est b.1370 - ?)

In her pedigree she is named alternatively as Elsbeth and Mawd, but her husband’s pedigree calls her Elsbeth (Elystan Glodrydd 55). She is found in her family pedigree (Clement 2) as the daughter of Sir William, but Bartrum could not connect her family with the descendants (Clement 1) of Geoffrey Clement, lord of Pennard in Cardiganshire, who was deputy justiciar of west Wales from 1284. He was murdered ten years later in the widespread Welsh revolt which was led in the south east by our 6082.MORGAN ap MAREDUDD (see Branch Chart 1). This revolt is described in the HISTORICAL NARRATIVE (Griffiths, Principality, pp.91-2, and R.R. Davies, Conquest, pp.382-3).

81.DYDDGU Line 648.NICHOLAS ap GWALLTER (est b. 1390 - ?)

Again we know nothing of this grandfather of JOHN DDU, found in Bartrum’s pedigree Elystan Glodrydd 58.

21.NN READ Line 672.WILLIAM READ (est b.1370 - ?)

Bartrum in Read 1 says that WILLIAM was active between 1391 and 1437, giving Griffiths’s Principality of Wales (pp.135-6) as his reference, but we have not consulted this part of Griffiths’ book.

688.GWILYM FYCHAN ap GWILYM (est b.1390 - ?)

GWILYM, the father of 344.HENRY of Llanddarog, was recorded by Gruffudd Hiraethog (Peniarth 133) as of Talhardd, near Llandeilo, which in 1914 was said to have developed from a small 14th century castle, of which a 5 feet thick wall still survived (quoted by Jones, Historic Carms Homes, p.177).

11.ELIZABETH Line 704.RHYS ap MORGAN GETHIN (swarthy) (est b.1370 - ?)

We do not know where RHYS lived or owned property, as we found no property transfer to his son 352.THOMAS, who later had Penddeulwyn from his wife MARGRED. Thus, there is no historical confirmation of RHYS as THOMAS’s father. The pedigree given by Bartrum in Einion ap Llywarch 12 shows a brother Morgan Hir (long, tall) and his son and granddaughter.

705.NN f. GWALLTER (est b. 1370 - ?)

Her patriarch is shown as Gwgon Ddu, but with no other information we did not attempt to trace her line.

353.MARGRED Line 706.GRUFFUDD ap RICHARD (est b.1380 - ?)

GRUFFUDD is given by Bartrum in Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 7 as the father of 353.MARGRED, who we believe brought Penddeulwyn to her husband THOMAS in the line of 11. ELIZABETH. The property of Penddeulwyn came from GRUFFUDD’s wife GWENHWYFAR, and his own family is not given property or location in any of the pedigrees, so he may have lived with his wife on her estate Penddeulwyn before it passed to their only heir 353.MARGRED. We labelled this paternal line for MARGRED to distinguish it from the maternal line that owned Penddeulwyn.

PENDDEULWYN Line 707.GWENHWYFAR f. MAREDUDD (est b.1380 - ?)

Bartrum gives her pedigree in Elystan Glodrudd 57 and shows her as MAREDUDD’s only child. He locates her with her husband GRUFFUDD at Penddeulwyn, which as we just said, descended through their daughter 353.MARGRED to the male line of 11.ELIZABETH. The old Welsh name Gwenhwyfar was given to King Arthur’s queen in the tales of that legendary Welsh leader in the 6th century, but when Geoffrey of Monmouth converted the tales into an epic story of knightly deeds in medieval times, her name was changed to the Anglo-Norman form Guinevere. In Wales the name has changed to Gaynor.

11. ELIZABETH Line 708.GWILYM ap THOMAS FYCHAN (est b.1390 - aft 1436)

Pedigree Elystan Glodrudd 52 shows this GWILYM as the brother of 160.RHYDDERCH in the line of 10.JOHN ap REES, and the father of 354.THOMAS DDU of Penddeulwyn and of 346.HENRY of Court Henry in the line of 42.JAMES READ (in which line he has number 692). Griffiths documented what is known of GWILYM’s career, and the poet Lewys Glyn Cothi wrote that GWILYM lived at Cefn Melgoed, which is near the Diwlas river and not far from the house of his father, 320.THOMAS FYCHAN (who has nos.1384 and 1416 in GWILYM’S sons’ lines). See our HISTORICAL NARRATIVE for this family.

709.GWLADUS Line 709.GWLADUS f. JOHN (est b.1390 - ?)

This marriage was recorded in an early pedigree by Ieuan Brechfa in Peniarth 131 p.229, before Brechfa’s death in 1500, which places it within the three-generation range we allow for likely reliability. The pedigree shows GWLADUS as the great-granddaughter of LLYWELYN FOETHUS (Bartrum’s Elystan Glodrydd 52, 54), and her marriage adds to the interrelation of her family with the family of THOMAS FYCHAN. We are also giving a short line through GWLADUS’s mother 1419.GWENLLIAN to her well-documented maternal grandfather 2838.LLYWELYN DDU, so we labelled that line 709.GWLADUS Line to distinguish it from the line of other men named Llywelyn Ddu including the father of the well-known 2576.LLYWELYN FOETHUS.

355.ELEN Line 710.TRAHAEARN ap GWILYM GWYN (est b.1390 - ?)

We know nothing further about this father of 355.ELEN, except that he had a sister NN and a brother Jenkin (pedigree Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 7).

89.GWENLLIAN Line 712.GWILYM ap RHYS (est b.1370 - ?)

Lewys Dwnn described this ancestor of 89.GWENLLIAN (given in Bartrum’s pedigree Elystan Glodrydd 58) as GWILYM of Pant Ystrad Buc, which may be the Pant yr Ystrad (hollow of the valley) in Abergwili parish which was recorded as having a corn mill in a deed of 1611 (Jones, Historic Carms Homes, p.144).

45.MEDDEFUS Line 720.IEUAN ap RICHARD (est b.1340 - ?)

We could find nothing about this ancestor of 45. MEDDEFUS. Bartrum listed a wife for him, but demonstrated that she was younger than her alleged son (Cydifor Fawr 7).

47.JANE BOWEN Line 752.NICHOLAS ap PHILIP of Crug near Llandeilo (est b.1360 - ?)

He was father of the famous 376.GRUFFUDD ap NICHOLAS, though little is known of his own life and he probably died young. In the early 17th century the story was written that NICHOLAS died soon after his wedding night from a wound he had received that day, though his physicians had warned him against exertion. Griffiths says that later pedigrees concur in making GRUFFUDD ap NICHOLAS an only child, despite the fact that other men with the name Nicholas were living at Newton (Dinefwr) in the early 15th century who may have been GRUFFUDD’s brothers (Sir Rhys, pp.9-10).

753.JONET f. GRUFFUDD ap LLYWELYN FOETHUS (est b.1370 - ?)

JONET’s marriage to NICHOLAS was recorded by Ieuan Brechfa in Peniarth 131 c.1500, by Thomas ap Ieuan ap Deicws in Peniarth 127 c.1510-23, and by Gruffudd Hiraethog in Peniarth 132 and 133, and it is given in Bartrum’s Elystan Glodrydd 54. Besides the pedigrees, this marriage was also historically documented because Griffiths found a reference to JONET’s son GRUFFUDD with his two sons OWAIN and Thomas and their "kinsman Rhydderch ap Rhys" (PRO E28/83/63, 64,37 cited in Sir Rhys, p.22). This kinsman was GRUFFUDD’s cousin on his mother’s side, i.e. JONET’s nephew, son of her brother RHYS. Thus, this marriage is confirmed. JONET’s second marriage to someone outside our family lines, perhaps as a very young widow, was recorded by Gruffudd Hiraethog in Peniarth 134. JONET was one of the three children in our ancestry from 1288.GRUFFUDD, who has no.1506 in her line.

DWNN Line 754.MAREDUDD ap HENRY DWNN (est b.1370 - aft 1401)

The activities of the fascinating DWNN family are well documented in our HISTORICAL NARRATIVE, but much less is known of this MAREDUDD, who may have died long before his two well-known sons, brothers of our MABLI (Bartrum’s pedigree Llywelyyn ap Gwrgan 2). MAREDUDD’s marriage to MALLT is given in the pedigrees of both, but we have no historical confirmation. They had the same patriarch, and their earliest lines were apparently joined.

355.ELEN/DWNN Lines 755.MALLT f. GRUFFUDD (est b.1370 - ?)

Bartrum gives the reference Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 4, which shows MALLT as one of nine daughters of 5680.GRUFFUDD, and as a sister of 2840.IEUAN in the line of 355.ELEN and four other brothers. 2824.GWILYM is also listed as her brother, but we do not accept GWILYM’s relationship to this GRUFFUDD (see 2824.GWILYM). From the estimated dates of birth, MALLT must have been among the youngest of the children, whose ages were almost a generation apart. Her father is listed in her brother IEUAN’S line as number 5680, and he has number 1510 in MALLT’s line.

47.JANE BOWEN Line   756.WILLIAM MALEPHANT of UPTON (est b.1340 - ?)

Bartrum gives WILLIAM as the father of Sir Thomas, Henry, David and Thomas MALEPHANT (Malephant), and according to Jones (Historic Homes of Pembs, p.53) he held land at Denant in Pembrokeshire in 1392 by knight service.

757.MARGARET f. JOHN SHERBORNE of Nangle

WILLIAM’s first wife MARGARET is given as the mother of 378.HENRY MALEPHANT, but we know nothing of her family. Her home in Pembrokeshire, the village of Nangle, is now known, probably more correctly, as Angle, which is currently on the Pembrokeshire Coast Path.

11th Generation back from ?Margaretta Prichard

10.JOHN Line 1280.DAFYDD ap GRUFFUDD ap GRONO (est b. 1300 - aft 1340)

DAFYDD is another of the law-enforcing ancestors who are well documented by Griffiths in his Principality of Wales. See our HISTORICAL NARRATIVE and Bartrum’s pedigree Elystan Glodrydd 50. DAFYDD is unusual in that his wife is reliably documented because of the property she inherited and brought to him. .

1281.JANE WINTER of Rhydygors, Carmarthen (est 1300 - ?)

 
1282.RHYS ap LLYWELYN (est b.1320 - ?
This father of 641.GWENLLIAN is in Bartrum’s pedigree Rhys Chwith 1, but we have found no historical documentation of her marriage into our line. RHYS’S family itself is known.

1283.GWENLLIAN f. RHYS FONGAM (est b.1330 - ?)

Bartrum gives the reference Llowdden 8 for her family, but we have not researched it. Her father was called Fongam because he stooped or was bandy-legged.

1288.GRUFFUDD ap LLYWELYN FOETHUS (est 1320 - aft 1383)

Griffiths documents several of GRUFFUDD’s official positions, one held jointly with 640.THOMAS ap DAFYDD (Principality, pp.297,386). Our family relations to this GRUFFUDD are numerous and involved (Bartrum’s pedigrees Elistan Glodrydd 54,55, 55B). At least three of his children are considered likely in our ancestry. First, 1418.JOHN’s daughter GWLADUS married GWILYM, father of THOMAS DDU in the line of 11.ELIZABETH and of HENRY in the line of JOHN. Second, 753.JONET was mother of GRUFFUDD ap NICHOLAS in ELIZABETH’s line. Third, 644.RHYS’S two-granddaughters are 161.MARGRED who married an ancestor of JOHN ap REES, and 181.ELEN who married an ancestor of 11.ELIZABETH. GRUFFUDD’s number 1288 serves only for the line through his son 644.RHYS with granddaughter 161.MARGRED, and it changes for his place in each of his other lines.

1289.GWENLLIAN f. IEUAN LLWYD (est b.1320 - ?)

Bartrum lists this wife (Elystan Glodrydd 54) who claimed descent from Cydifor ap Gwaethfoed, but we have not studied her ancestry.

81.DYDDGU Line 1296.GWALLTER ap DAFYDD (est b.1360 - ?)

Again we know nothing of this ancestor of JOHN DDU, shown in Bartrum’s pedigree Elystan Glodrydd 58.

21.NN READ Line   1344.THOMAS READ (est b.1340 - 1412)

THOMAS READ is the earliest of the family to be noted in the pedigrees, and he was recorded before 1582 in Llyfr Edward ap Roger (Peniarth 128), and by the herald Gruffudd Hiraethog as ‘"Justice of Carmarthenshire" in Peniarth 132 and 133. Griffiths gives the date 1381 in Principality (pp.113-4). In describing the long period of peace in Wales after 1295, R.R.Davies explained that individual townsmen prospered and extended the range and quantity of their trade, and he named "Thomas Rede of Carmarthen (and Bristol)" as one of two people who exemplified traders of international standing in the 14th century, "exporting hides, leather, and especially wool, in large quantities, and importing wine, salt, and iron" (Conquest p.413). According to the READ pedigrees THOMAS had two sons, 672.WILLIAM, and Richard who married Elizabeth, the daughter of Jenkin Winter. She was the heiress of "Maenor-gain" (also called Green Castle), in Llangain parish south west of Carmarthen, and that branch of the family continued there until the 1620s. Jenkin was probably related to the Winter family of Carmarthen, but was not included in their pedigree.

1345.MARGRED BUTLER

According to the READ pedigrees, THOMAS READ married MARGARET BUTLER, but we did not study her and do not know whether she belonged to the noble family of this name.

1376.GWILYM ap PHILIP (est b.1360 - aft 1403)

GWILYM was the brother of 752.NICHOLAS, and he fought alongside his father-in-law 1508.HENRY DWNN in support of Owain Glyn Dwr (see the HISTORICAL NARRATIVE). However, his relation to our line depends upon our uncertain READ line, so we will not consider GWILYM and his wife as known ancestors unless we find historical documentation for the uncertain READ line.

1377.GWLADUS f. HENRY DWNN (est b.1370 - ?)

GWILYM ap PHILIP’s wife GWLADUS was the sister of 754.MAREDUDD DWNN, and the families were again related later by the marriage of MAREDUDD’s daughter MABLI to NICHOLAS ap PHILIP’S son GRUFFUDD.

11.ELIZABETH Line 1408.MORGAN GETHIN ap MORGAN LLWYD (est b.1350 - ?)

This line (shown in Einion ap Llywarch 12) was the direct male line of 11.ELIZABETH of Ravensdale, for which we have almost no historical information though presumably they were land-holding gentry.

1409.MARGRED f. THOMAS (est b.1350 - ?)

Bartrum gives her patriarch as Bleddyn ap Maenyrch 32, but we have not researched her ancestry.

353.MARGRED Line 1412.RICHARD ap GWILYM (est b.1360 - ?)

Bartrum gives this short line from 353.MARGRED’s father, but has no other information on RICHARD than his name and two brothers Dafydd and Hywel (Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 7). As already said, the estate of Penddeulwyn came through the line of MARGRED’S mother, 707.GWENHWYFAR, not this paternal line.

PENDDEULWYN Line 1414.MAREDUDD ap RHYS LLWYD "of Penddeulwyn" (est b.1360 - ?)

MAREDUDD’s father is listed as owner of Penddeulwyn, so MAREDUDD is assumed to have held it and passed it to his only child 707.GWENHWYFAR and her husband GRUFFUDD, and then through their daughter 353.MARGRED to her husband THOMAS in the male line of 11.ELIZABETH. Bartrum provides no more information about MAREDUDD himself, but his pedigree for six more generations is listed in Elystan Glodrudd 57 and given here for four generations labeled as the Penddeulwyn Line.

1415.NN f. MADOG ap TRAHAEARN FLOESG (lisping) (est b.1370 - ?)

MAREDUDD’s wife is given as the unnamed daughter of the almost unknown MADOG whose "lisping" father TRAHAEARN is his sole claimed ancestor. In Elystan Glodrudd 53 Bartrum gives MADOG’s wife as NN f. IEUAN LLWYD, listing IEUAN as a brother of 2576.LLYWELYN FOETHUS. The same pedigree appears in David Edwardes (Carms Book, p.119) without additional information. We have no documentary evidence of IEUAN (or any brothers of the well-known LLYWELYN FOETHUS), and in view of the two wives without first names and MADOG without a pedigree, we see little chance to confirm or even continue this maternal line.

709.GWLADUS Line 1418.JOHN ap GRUFFUDD ap LLYWELYN FOETHUS (est b.1370 - ?)

We did not find a record of this JOHN’S official activities. He is the third of the children of GRUFFUDD ap LLYWELYN FOETHUS who are in our ancestry (besides 644.RHYS and 753.JONET) according to Elystan Glodrudd 54. See 1288.GRUFFUDD, who for JOHN’s line has number 2838. JOHN is labeled for his daughter in the 709.GWLADUS Line, which goes to his wife’s father.

1419.GWENLLIAN f. LLYWELYN DDU (est b.1380 - ?)

In this short paternal line of GWLADUS, Bartrum gives her mother’s patriarch and pedigree as Cynddelw ab Einion 2, which shows two unnamed sisters and a brother John with descendants in Llanegwad parish, Carmarthenshire. We have no confirmation of GWENLLIAN’s marriage to JOHN, and we are not aware of previous relations of these two families. But GWENLLIAN’s father was historically known and documented for activities in or near Carmarthen, so his family would seem compatible to JOHN’s family.

355.ELEN Line 1420.GWILYM GWYN of Llangwnwr (est b.1370 - ?)

The name GWYN means white or blond, and according to Gruffudd Hiraethog (Peniarth 133, p. 73) GWILYM lived in Llangunnor. Bartrum shows two younger brothers but no wife for GWILYM GWYN in this line from 355.ELEN f. TRAHAEARN (Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 6,11). GWILYM was known as a supporter of Owain Glyn Dwr’s rebellion, and was outlawed in 1403 (Griffiths, Principality, p.202).

89.GWENLLIAN Line 1424.RHYS ab ARON FYCHAN (est b.1330 - ?)

Bartrum’s pedigree Elystan Glodrydd 58 shows this RHYS as the brother of 2592.DAFYDD, who was an ancestor of 81.DYDDGU, thus again joining the ancestors of JOHN ap REES and his wife ELIZABETH.

45.MEDDEFUS Line 1440.RICHARD ap MAREDUDD GAM (est 1300 - ?)

According to Bartrum’s note, Ieuan, the brother of this ancestor of 45.MEDDEFUS, was recorded in the Black Book of St David’s as being alive in 1326 (Cydifor Fawr 7). Thus in this respect the family can be said to be historically documented, but we know nothing more of RICHARD.

1441.NN f. RICHARD ap RHYS LLWYD ap HOEDLYW (est 1300 - ?)

We know nothing further about this wife’s ancestry, for which Bartrum gives no patriarch.

47.JANE BOWEN Line 1504.PHILIP ab ELIDIR DDU of Crug (est 1320 - aft 1387)

PHILIP’S line is generally well accepted and documented as described in the HISTORICAL NARRATIVE, particularly with his son 752.NICHOLAS (Einion ap Llywarch 7).

1505.GWLADUS f. DAFYDD FRAS (stout) (est. b.1320 - ?)

Bartrum’s pedigree Cydifor Fawr 4 gives GWLADUS as one of DAFYDD’s four daughters. Her father was said by Gruffudd Hiraethog (Peniarth 133 p. 84) to be "of Kidwelly" and the pedigree gives him as a descendant of Rhiwallon, one of the sons of 164,988.BLEDRI ap CYDIFOR, but Bartrum shows that one generation is missing. As no information is provided about the other ancestors in DAFYDD’s line, apart from their names, we do not show them here.

DWNN Line 1508.HENRY DWNN of Kidwelly (est b.1340 - 1416)

For this fascinating figure, see his character sketch in our HISTORICAL NARRATIVE. The DWNN pedigree in Bartrum is Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 2 for these late and famous members of the DWNN family, but the early, less known figures are in several different pedigrees in this Primary Chart 2, as will be seen.

1509.ANNES f. IEUAN LLWYD (est b. 1330 - ?)

In Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 2 Bartrum refers to her patriarch and pedigree as Blegwrryd1, which we have not studied.

47.JANE BOWEN Line 1512.Sir WALTER MALEPHANT of UPTON (est b.1300 - ?)

Sir Walter is the earliest member of the family to be recorded by Bartrum (Malephant), and we found no further information on the family.

1513.ALICE f. SIR JOHN de la ROCHE of ROCH castle

ALICE was recorded c.1610 in Harleian MS 5835 as the wife of Sir WALTER, but we know nothing further about her. The Roche family is listed in the GGB as a Norman or possibly Flemish family that came after the Normans. Like the other similar families, it might reward study. The manor of Roch in Pembrokeshire where the castle was situated was bought in about 1601 by William Walter, whose son Roland married Frances, the granddaughter of 22.THOMAS ap RHYS of Ravensdale.

12th Generation back from ?Margaretta Prichard

10.JOHN Line 2560.GRUFFUDD ap GRONO GOCH (est 1270 - aft 1322)

Bartrum’s pedigree is Elystan Glodrydd 50. Like his illustrious father, GRUFFUDD is documented for royal grants and functions (see the HISTORICAL NARRATIVE).

2561.MARGRED f. CADWGAN (est 1280 - ?)

Apparently little is written of GRUFFUDD ap GRONO's wife. Her patriarch is given as Rhydderch ap Tewdwr in the pedigree of her husband (Elystan Glodrydd 50), but that may be a late invention so we did not continue her line.

2562.MORGAN WINTER of Rhydygors (est 1270 - ?)

Nothing is known of this father of JANE who married 1280.DAFYDD ap GRUFFUDD ap GRONO in the line of 10.JOHN ap REES. MORGAN must have been about the same age as 11,364.WALTER WINTER, whose family is known in Carmarthen, and we assume they were related, but we found no family evidence. Since MORGAN’S daughter inherited his estate, he must have had no sons and presumably no other daughter.

2564.LLYWELYN ap RHYS CHWITH (est b.1300 - ?)

According to pedigrees recorded by Ieuan Brechfa in Peniarth 131 and by Gruffudd Hiraethog in Peniarth 133 (given by Bartrum in Rhys Chwith 1), he was one of seven sons of RHYS CHWITH, all of whom reached adulthood and left descendants, apparently in the Cardigan area. We have no other information on him, and none on his wife.

2576.LLYWELYN FOETHUS of Llangathen (est b.1300 - aft 1357)

LLYWELYN FOETHUS was called the Luxurious, as described in the HISTORICAL NARRATIVE. His pedigree is given in Bartrum’s Elystan Glodrudd 53 and 54, and his marriage to MARGRED was recorded c.1610 in Harleian MS 5835 (though she is there nameless), and later by David Edwardes (Carms Book p.117).

2577.MARGRED Line 2577.MARGRED f. IEUAN ap MADOG (est b.1300 - ?)

We know little of MARGRED’S life, but her brother Madog is claimed as the great-grandfather of Thomas ap Philip, who married the heiress of Sir Henry DWNN and founded the still existing Philipps family of Picton Castle. According to the pedigree of MARGRED’s husband, her patriarch was CYDIFOR FAWR, and her own pedigree (Cyd.F. 2) shows her descent through his son BLEDRI LATIMER, grandson RHYS, and great-grandson Sir ARON. Three of these four men are historically identifiable figures, but the rest of her line itself is not documented as far as we know. Also, our earliest record of it is dated much later than her lifetime. With this disclaimer we tentatively give MARGRED’S line to BLEDRI through his son RHYS.

81.DYDDGU Line   2592.DAFYDD ab ARON FYCHAN (est b.1320 - ?)

Again we know nothing of this ancestor of JOHN DDU except that the pedigree (Elystan Glodrudd 58) shows him as the brother of 1424.RHYS, whose descendant 89.GWENLLIAN was a grandmother of 11.ELIZABETH, making an intersection of the two lines. Since the two brothers have the same father ARON FYCHAN, their two lines from 81.DYDDGU and 89.GWENLLIAN become joined at that father, who is listed in the line of 1424.RHYS.

11.ELIZABETH Line 2816.MORGAN LLWYD ap MORGAN (est b.1320 - ?)

MORGAN LLWYD is part of the long but "quiet" male line from ELIZABETH of Ravensdale shown by Bartrum (Einion ap Llywarch 12), and we found nothing of his property or location.

2817.GWENLLIAN f. IEUAN ap GRUFFUDD (est b.1330 - ?)

According to the pedigrees in Einion ap Llywarch 5 and 12,GWENLLIAN was a fourth cousin of her husband, but we know nothing else of her.

353.MARGRED Line 2824.GWILYM ap GRUFFUDD (est b.1330 - ?)

Bartrum gives no wife or other information on GWILYM in this line from 353.MARGRED (Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 7), and it is not possible to identify GWILYM’s father GRUFFUDD because of confusion or uncertainty in several pedigrees by Gruffudd Hiraethog, as well as those by David Edwardes (Carms Book, pp.17,131). Therefore we did not continue this line. GWILYM’S line that we are stopping here had no effect on our search for ownership of Penddeulwyn, which belongs to a maternal line in GWILYM’S family, not this paternal line.

PENDDEULWYN Line 2828.RHYS LLWYD ap GRUFFUDD (est b.1330 - ?)

Bartrum described this RHYS LLWYD as "of Penddeulwyn" in the pedigree Elystan Glodrudd 57, and he is the earliest we have found to be associated with this property. We do not know whether his father owned Penddeulwyn, as it was not recorded. Penddeulwyn eventually descended to the family of 11.ELIZABETH.

709.GWLADUS Line 2838.LLYWELYN DDU of Penllwynau (est b.1350 – aft 1387)

Gruffudd Hiraethog recorded (Peniarth 133 p. 84) that LLYWELYN lived at Penllwynau ("‘head of the groves," not to be confused with Penddeulwyn), which is in Llanegwad parish east of Carmarthen, and Bartrum notes in the pedigree (Cynddelw ab Einion 2) that this LLYWELYN was mentioned in the cartulary of Carmarthen priory in 1387. According to Jones (Historic Carms Homes p.150), Lewys Glyn Cothi addressed an ode to LLYWELYN’S grandson Gwilym Sion o Lan Egwad, in which he praised his liberal hospitality, and Gwilym subsequently became Esquire of the Body to Henry VII. In the pedigree, LLYWELYN’s ancestry is just a list of names: Dafydd, Ieuan Fychan, Ieuan and Gwion, after which there is a gap of several generations before Caradog, the son of the patriarch Cynddelw, so we have not continued his line here. His wife is also uncertain.

355.ELEN Line 2840.IEUAN ap GRUFFUDD (est b.1340 - ?)

Bartrum gives this line from 355.ELEN f. TRAHAEARN (Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 6), but nothing is written of IEUAN’s occupation or location. In Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 4 he is shown as a brother of 755.MALLT (wife of MAREDUDD DWNN) and the son of 5680.GRUFFUDD ap CADWGAN FYCHAN. His marriage is given in Peniarth 131 p.274 by Ieuan Brechfa before 1500, which is outside the 3-generation limit.

2841.JONET f. DAFYDD ap WALTER WINTER (est b.1340 - ?)

Bartrum gives this family in the pedigree WINTER, but he could not provide a relationship to 2562.MORGAN WINTER of Rhydygors. Siddons (Vol. II, p.604) gives a coat of arms for only the Winter family of Llangain, which Bartrum shows as a collateral line.

81.DYDDGU and 89.GWENLLIAN Lines 2848.ARON (AARON) FYCHAN ab ARON (est b.1290 -?)

According to the pedigree Elystan Glodrydd 58, ARON was the father of 1424.RHYS in the line of 89.GWENLLIAN, and of 2592.DAFYDD in the line of 162.JOHN DDU (in which line he has number 5184). The same pedigree also gives ARON a brother Gwilym who was living in 1326.

45.MEDDEFUS Line   2880.MAREDUDD GAM ap MAREDUDD FYCHAN (est 1270 - ?)

"Gam" means crooked or otherwise disabled, but we found nothing more of this ancestor of 45.MEDDEFUS in
Cydifor Fawr 7.

2881.NN f. MAREDUDD (est b.1280 - ?)

We have not researched her line (Elystan Glodrudd 7).

47.JANE BOWEN Line 3008.ELIDIR DDU of Crug, Llandeilo (est b.1280 - aft 1326)

According to the pedigree in Einion ap Llywarch 4, he was the brother of 11,268.GRUFFUDD, whose granddaughter married MORGAN LLWYD. ELIDIR is the earliest of this line for whom documentary evidence is available, as described in the HISTORICAL NARRATIVE. Lewys Dwnn called him Sir Elidir, Knight of the Holy Sepulchre and Knight of Rhodes, according to Jones ("Knights," p.23), which would make him a Crusader, though we found no early evidence. His wife is uncertain, and we did not take her up.

DWNN Line 3016.GRUFFUDD DWNN or GETHIN (est b.1300 - aft 1364)

So far the line back from our DWNN ancestors is accurate (Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 2), as they were well known historical figures including this GRUFFUDD GETHIN (swarthy), who was also documented (see HISTORICAL NARRATIVE). He is named in the cartulary of the Priory in Carmarthen in November 1365 apparently for a gift of two acres (James, “Carmarthen Burgesses,” on the author’s website www.terra-demetarum.org.uk ). From GRUFFUDD earlier, however, no historical confirmation was found until six generations back (Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 1). GRUFFUDD was the first of the family to whom the epithet Dwnn (meaning dusky or dark) was applied, and for his children it became the surname Dwnn or Don. The epithet was apparently used for other families in Carmarthen, however, as James lists other names not known in our pedigree such as John and Henricus.

3017.AGNES f. CADWGAN IEUAN (est b.1320 - ?) or MEDDEFUS f. GRUFFUDD (est b.1320 - ? )

It is apparently unknown which of the two wives of GRUFFUDD GETHIN was the mother of HENRY DWNN, though Edwardes drew an arrow from HENRY to AGNES (Carms Book, p.130). Bartrum cites their pedigrees as Eidio 5 (from Llansawel in Carmarthenshire) and Cynfelyn ap Dolffin 8 (from a Montgomeryshire descendant of Bleddyn ap Cynfyn), respectively. “Agnes Done” was named in the cartulary of the Priory in Carmarthen as having land on the border of a gift to the Priory in 1358, according to James, “Carmarthen Burgesses”. At that date GRUFFUDD was still alive and HENRY was probably a young adult, so we are giving both women’s names but not their ancestries.

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10.JOHN Line 5120.GRONO GOCH ap ELIDIR (est b.1240 - aft 1309)

GRONO GOCH (GORONWY with red hair or ruddy complexion) is well documented in his long career as an official for the Welsh and the English, and he is the earliest of the line to be historically documented, as described in the HISTORICAL NARRATIVE. His many descendants included similar official figures in the line of JOHN ap REES.

5121.DYDDGU f. PHILIP (est b.1250 - ?)

Her pedigree is numbered by Bartrum as Eidio 1, but we are not aware of any historical documentation for her, and have not continued her line.

5128.RHYS CHWITH (the left-handed) (est b.1260 - ?)

He was historically important but was not included in our HISTORICAL NARRATIVE because we lack evidence for his connection to our line. According to Bartrum (Rhys Chwith 1), David Edwardes described him as Esquire of the Body to King Edward I in his Cards. Book (p.45), but we have not investigated his life. His pedigree shows seven children, all of whom left issue.

5129.MABLI f. HYWEL (est b.1280 - ?)

Bartrum gives her patriarch and pedigree as Cydifor ap Dinawal, but we have not taken up her line.

5152.LLYWELYN DDU (est b.1260 - aft 1289)

This father of LLYWELYN FOETHUS appears in Bartrum’s pedigree Elystan Glodrydd 53 as summarized in the HISTORICAL NARRATIVE.

5153.MARGRED f. GWRWARED

She is named in Bartrum’s pedigree Elystan Glodrydd 53, and he gives her own pedigree as Gwynfardd 1, but we have not pursued it.

2577.MARGRED Line 5154.IEUAN ap MADOG (est b.1270 - ?)

Little is known of this father of 2577.MARGRED who married LLYWELYN FOETHUS, apart from his claimed descent from CADIFOR FAWR through BLEDRI LATIMER’s son RHYS (Bartrum, Cadifor Fawr 2).

11.ELIZABETH Line 5632. MORGAN ap IORWERTH (est b.1290 - ?)

We found nothing further about MORGAN in Bartrum’s pedigree (Einion ap Llywarch 12), but his wife’s family is better documented.

5633.JOAN Line 5633.JOAN f. MADOG (est b.1300 - ?)

JOAN’S pedigree is given in Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 8, and her parentage is documented, though we know nothing else about her own life.

11.ELIZABETH Line 5634.IEUAN ap GRUFFUDD ab ELIDIR (est b.1300 - ?)

We know nothing further about this father of 2817.GWENLLIAN in Einion ap Llywarch 5, who married into the long male line of 11.ELIZABETH. we assume her family were also landed gentry, but the pedigrees do not locate their properties. This line from GRUFFUDD ab ELIDIR possibly lived near Crug, Carms., where GRUFFUDD’S brother 3009.ELIDIR DDU lived.

PENDDEULWYN Line 5656.GRUFFUDD ap LLYWELYN FYCHAN (est b.1300 - ?)

We found nothing further about this father of 2828.RHYS LLWYD of Penddeulwyn. The pedigree Elystan Glodrudd 57 showed no reference to Penddeulwyn by this GRUFFUDD’s name, so we do not know how, when, or where the property of Penddeulwyn was acquired by this family. We continued the line and still labelled it as the "Penddeulwyn Line."

355.ELEN Line   5680.GRUFFUDD ap CADWGAN FYCHAN (est b.1310 - aft 1383)

In Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 4, Bartrum shows GRUFFUDD as the father of 2840.IEUAN (in the line of 355.ELEN) and of 755.MALLT (wife of MAREDUDD DWNN), and also as the second cousin of MAREDUDD’s grandfather 3016 GRUFFUDD DWNN. He may also have been the father of 2824.GWILYM ap GRUFFUDD in the Penddeulwyn line of 353.MARGRED, but with that GWILYM the contradictory pedigrees made us stop the line rather than trying to accommodate it. In all, GRUFFUDD’S pedigree shows him with 5 wives and 8 other daughters (besides MALLT above) and 4 other sons (besides IEUAN above). He is historically identified at least twice, according to Bartrum’s notes in the same pedigree, as he was named in 1364 on p. 37 of the cartulary of Carmarthen priory, and he was still active in 1383. Lewys Dwnn described his coat of arms in 1588 as "the white lion". (Siddons, Vol II, p.360).

5682.DAFYDD ap WALTER WINTER (est b.1310 - ?)

Gruffudd Hiraethog described him as Dafydd o’r Penrhyn in Peniarth 177, p. 338, but we are unable to locate this Penrhyn, and Bartrum’s pedigree WINTER gives no information about him except as father of 2841.JONET. According to James, he is named in the Cartulary of the Priory in Carmarthen in 1351 and 1356 as living in "Old Carmarthen," i.e. the Welsh settlement which predated the Norman town growing around the new castle (James, "Carmarthen Burgesses" online database at author's website www.terra-demetarum.org.uk).

11.ELIZABETH Line 5696.ARON ab YNYR (est b.1260 - ?)

Edwardes’ pedigree (Carms Book, p.125) names ARON as Sir Aron ab Ynyr of Abergwili, and Bartrum cites a reference to him in 1289 in Lit. Wall. p.183. His ancestry is given in Elystan Glodrudd 49 as a list of names with a generation lacking four generations earlier. In view of the problems with that pedigree as described under 5152.LLYWELYN DDU and 10,240.ELIDIR GOCH, we did not go into ARON’S ancestry.

45.MEDDEFUS Line 5760.MAREDUDD FYCHAN ap MAREDUDD (est b.1240 - ?)

Bartrum notes (Cydifor Fawr 6) that this ancestor of 45.MEDDEFUS was described by Gruffudd Hiraethog as of Derllys, the commote to the west of Carmarthen (Peniarth 177, p. 350), but we have found nothing more about him or his home.

5761.ELEN f. MAREDUDD ap CADWGAN FANTACH (est b.1250 - ?)

We know nothing of her or the men in her patronymic, except that Fantach means toothless.

47.JANE BOWEN Line   6016.ELIDIR ap RHYS (est b.1240 - ?)

Bartrum states in Einion ap Llywarch 4 that ELIDIR was the father of 3008.ELIDIR GOCH and of 11,268.GRUFFUDD, but nothing else is known of him.

6017.GWLADUS f. PHILIP (est b.1250 - ?)

She is shown in Gwaethfoed 6 as the daughter of PHILIP of MORGANNWG, the granddaughter of y Bach of Skenfrith in Monmouthshire, and the great-granddaughter of the patriarch, GWAETHFOED of Gwent, but we did not pursue this ancestry.

DWNN Line 6032.CADWGAN ap GRUFFUDD (est b.1270 - ? )

He was the father of GRUFFUDD DWNN (Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 1). Bartrum notes that his brother was Gwalter Sais (English-speaking).

6033.CATRIN f. ARON (est b.1280 - ?)

We have not investigated her ancestry given in Bartrum’s pedigree Cydifor Fawr 20.

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10.JOHN Line   10,240.ELIDIR GOCH (ruddy) (est 1210 - ?)

ELIDIR is given as father of the most significant ancestor in 10.JOHN ap REES’S well-documented line, i.e. 5120.GRONO GOCH, the long-time castle official and progenitor of most of the royal officials in that line (Bartrum’s pedigree Elystan Glodrydd 50). Griffiths found no historical documentation for ELIDIR or any of his claimed ancestors, the earliest historical documentation being only for ELIDIR’s son GRONO. ELIDIR was listed in Elystan Glodrydd 19, 49 and 50 as a descendant of the patriarch Elystan Glodrydd, but three different lines are present in the pedigrees, so we are not giving this ancestry.

10,241.JONET f. TRAHAEARN (est b.1220 - ?)

The pedigree Elystan Glodrudd 50 shows JONET as the mother of GRONO GOCH. Her own patriarch and pedigree are given as Eidio 5, but we have not taken up her line.

10,304.OWAIN ap GRUFFUDD (est b.1230 - ?)

Bartrum in Elystan Glodrudd 53 gives OWAIN as the father of 5152.LLYWELYN DDU, but we have found no documentary confirmation.

2577.MARGRED Line 10,308.MADOG ap GWILYM (est b.1230 - ?)

He was given as father of 5154.IEUAN ap MADOG, father of MARGRED f. IEUAN, the wife of LLYWELYN FOETHUS (Bartrum’s pedigree Cydifor Fawr 2). We found nothing more on him.

11.ELIZABETH Line 11,264. IORWERTH ap GWGON (est b.1260 - ?)

We know nothing more of this ancestor in the long male line of ELIZABETH (Einion ap Llywarch 12). A wife is named for him in her pedigree Einion ap Llywarch 4, but it shows that she was too young to be the mother of IORWERTH’S son 5632.MORGAN.

5633.JOAN Line 11,266.MADOG ap GWILYM FYCHAN (est b.1230 - ?)

MADOG’s pedigree is given in Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 8, but it gives no other information about him.

11.ELIZABETH Line 11,268.GRUFFUDD ab ELIDIR (est b.1270 - ?)

The pedigree in Einion ap Llywarch 4 shows GRUFFUDD as brother of 3008.ELIDIR DDU and son of 6016.ELIDIR (who is numbered 22,536 in this line), and David Edwardes gave his home as Myddynfych in Llandybïe parish (Carms Book, p. 93)

11,269.GWENLLIAN f. AROD (est b.1270 - ?)

The pedigree in Einion ap Llywarch 5 gives the reference for GWENLLIAN’S ancestry as Rhydderch Ddu 1, but we have not examined it.

PENDDEULWYN Line 11,312.LLYWELYN FYCHAN ap LLYWELYN (est b.1270 - ?)

He is given as grandfather of RHYS LLWYD of Penddeulwyn in Elystan Glodrydd 57, but we know nothing else about him. The pedigree gives his wife as Isabel f. Dafydd Fras, but her birth date does not fit this attribution. Her father is already in our ancestry for her sister 1505.GWLADUS f. DAFYDD, wife of PHILIP ap ELIDIR DDU.

355.ELEN Line 11,360.CADWGAN FYCHAN ab IEUAN (est b.1280 - ?)

The pedigree in Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 4 gives no additional information about CADWGAN FYCHAN. Though his son 5680.GRUFFUDD was historically well documented, we found nothing more of the father.

11,364. WALTER WINTER (est b.1270 - ?)

He was named in 1309 on p.14 of the cartulary of Carmarthen Priory, as was 1281.JANE WINTER's father-in-law 2560.GRUFFUDD ap GRONO GOCH named on p.15. That source identifies WALTER as chaplain in north Carmarthenshire and also as the "son of Thomas Wynter." He was again named in 1310, and he may be the Walter Winter who had a land lease in Carmarthen in 1331. These references are given by Terrence James in "Carmarthen Burgesses".  Bartrum also suggests that Walter Winter may be the Walter Winter who was Archdeacon of Carmarthen in 1328-31.

45.MEDDEFUS Line 11,520.MAREDUDD ap RICHARD (est b.1200 - ?)

Nothing was found of him other than his place in the pedigree Cydifor Fawr 6.

47.JANE BOWEN Line   12,032.RHYS ap GRONWY (est b.1210 - ?)

The pedigree in Einion ap Llywarch 4 shows RHYS as one of five brothers, including 45,056.IORWERTH in the male line of ELIZABETH. In addition to his son 6,016 ELIDIR he is shown in the same pedigree as the father of Jonet who may have been the mother of 12,164.MAREDUDD ap GRUFFUDD of Caerleon instead of GRUFFUDD’s wife GWERFUL, as discussed in Branch Chart 2 and the HISTORICAL NARRATIVE Gentry 2.

DWNN Line 12,064.GRUFFUDD ap CADWGAN FAWR (est b.1240 - ?)

The pedigree given in Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 1 shows GRUFFUDD as the brother of 22,720.IEUAN in the line of 355.ELEN, but we know nothing else about him. Since this IEUAN and GRUFFUDD have the same father, the two lines become joined in the DWNN line

12,065.JONET f. RHYS GRYG ap the LORD RHYS (est b. 1240 - ?)

Bartrum gives this possible wife (Rhys ap Tewdwr 4), but the known dates of her father and grandfather do not fit well, and we are not aware of any historical documentation confirming the pedigree, so we did not continue it.

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10.JOHN Line 20,608.GRUFFUDD ab ELIDIR (est b.1200 - ?)

Bartrum shows in Elystan Glodrydd 49 that some pedigrees identify GRUFFUDD as a son of 10,240.ELIDIR GOCH (by a different mother to that of 5120.GRONO GOCH), and others as a son of a much earlier ELIDIR, who is also shown as a possible ancestor of ELIDIR GOCH. In view of the uncertainty we end this line with GRUFFUDD himself.

2577.MARGRED Line 20,616.GWILYM ab ARON (est 1190 - ?)

We know nothing of this ancestor of MARGRED, except that later occupants of Cilsant in the west of the county claimed descent from CADIFOR FAWR through this GWILYM’s son Philip (Bartrum, Cydifor Fawr 2).

11.ELIZABETH Line 22,528.GWGON ap IORWERTH (est b.1230-?)

We know nothing more of this ancestor in the long male line of ELIZABETH (Einion ap Llywarch 12).

5633.JOAN Line 22,532.GWILYM FYCHAN (est b.1230 - ?)

GWILYM’s pedigree is given in Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 8, but it provides no other information about him.

PENDDEULWYN Line 22,624.LLYWELYN ap MORUS (est b.1230 - ?)

We know nothing more of this ancestor of RHYS LLWYD of Penddeulwyn in Elystan Glodrudd 56.

355.ELEN Line 22,720.IEUAN ap CADWGAN FAWR (est b.1240 -?)

The pedigree given in Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 1 shows this IEUAN as the brother of 12,064.GRUFFUDD ap CADWGAN FAWR in the DWNN line, thus sharing the same father and thereby joining the early lines of both families. From here on the two lines are united in the DWNN line under number 24,128.CADWGAN FAWR. In the line of this IEUAN the father has number 45,440.

22,728.THOMAS WINTER (est b.1240 - ?)

James gives six references for this name in 1268-91, and all may belong to our THOMAS. Three are from the Carmarthen cartulary but give little more than his name, and the longest is from the "Extent of 1268," i.e. the list and valuation of lands in the lordship of Carmarthen made in that year. THOMAS is described as a "burgess" with a "curtelage" or yard surrounding a house, and he may have had a second property jointly with another man, according to James, "Carmarthen Burgesses," online database at the author's website www.terra-demetarum.org.uk

45.MEDDEFUS Line 23,040.RICHARD ap MAREDUDD (est 1170 - ?)

The pedigree given in Cydifor Fawr 6 shows RICHARD as one of three brothers, but we know nothing else about him.

355.ELEN and DWNN Lines 24,128.CADWGAN FAWR (est b. 1200 - ?)

As said with 22,720.IEUAN ap CADWGAN FAWR, the pedigree Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 1 shows CADWGAN FAWR as the father of both 12,064.GRUFFUDD in the DWNN line and 22,720.IEUAN in the line of 355.ELEN, and we are here joining the two lines. Jones says in Historic Carms Homes (p.20) that CADWGAN lived at Cadwgan Farm near the later DWNN home Croesallgwn. Bartrum gives CADWGAN one brother Gruffudd whose descendants are known, and three brothers without further identification, Philip, Rhys, and Cadwgan Fychan. Bartrum’s pedigree shows four more generations back to the patriarch, which we list below.

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2577.MARGRED Line 41,232.ARON ap RHYS ap BLEDRI (est b.1150 - aft 1223)

Lewys Dwnn called him "Sir Aron, Knight of the Sepulchre," and Francis Jones cited an account written before 1654 of ARON’S Crusade with Richard the Lion-Heart in 1190 ("Knights," p.21), but gave no earlier sources. There the arms Argent, a lion rampant Sable, armed and languedGules (on a silver shield, a black lion standing on one leg, with red claws and tongue) were said to have been awarded by King Richard, to which ARON supposedly added a gold crown and chain, as shown here (from Royalty and Princely Heraldry of Wales). Like many such tales this story is fanciful: the first coats of arms of Welshmen did not appear until the second half of the 13th century for the sons of Llywelyn the Great (Siddons, Vol I, Appendix P). The arms illustrated here were first adopted by Thomas ap Philip (Sir Thomas Philipps, d.1520) of Picton castle (Siddons, Vol II, p.448), who married Joan DWNN as described in the HISTORICAL NARRATIVE. In ARON's later life, his substantial reputation was

demonstrated by a royal edict of 1223 naming him with Rhys Gryg and other descendants of the Welsh princes to assist in clearing access to Cardigan and Carmarthen. In the same year he was appointed to a commission to determine the lands of the three south Wales princes (PRO, Pipe Roll, cited by Jones, "Knights," pp.21-22). His descendants continued at Cilsant (where his grandfather and great-grandfather had lived) until the mid-18th century (Jones, Historic Carms Homes, p.32). Regardless of the partly undocumented nature of MARGRED’s line, Sir ARON’s own identity seems very clear, as he was recorded by Ieuan Brechfa c. 1500 in Peniarth 131 pp. 299, 304, and by Gruffudd Hiraethog in Peniarth 134, 176 and 178 (see Bartrum, Cadifor Fawr 1). A thorough study of ARON’s personal documents (if any), his inheritance of "extensive lands," and his many descendants continuing in the same area, would seem likely to produce evidence of his line.
 

11.ELIZABETH Line 45,056.IORWERTH ap GRONWY (est b.1200 - ?)

This ancestor in the male line of ELIZABETH is shown in Einion ap Llywarch 4 as the brother of 12,032.RHYS in the line of 47.JANE BOWEN among five sons of GRONWY ab EINION.

5633.JOAN Line 45,064.GWILYM ap PHILIP (est b.1200 - ?)

GWILYM’S pedigree in Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 8 shows a younger brother Cadwgan, whose descendant Harry ab Owain lived at Llechdwni near Kidwelly in the late 15th century, and whose heiress Catrin brought that property to her husband Rhys, a younger son of 94.MORRIS BOWEN (see HISTORICAL NARRATIVE). GWILYM himself is not historically documented, as far as we know.

PENDDEULWYN Line 45,248.MORUS ab ELIDIR (est b.1200 - ?)

The pedigree given in Elystan Glodrudd 56 shows MORUS as an ancestor of RHYS LLWYD of Penddeulwyn, but we know nothing else about him. His ancestry is described in Elystan Glodrydd 49 but as said earlier that pedigree has numerous problems, so we did not continue it further. Of the seven more individuals in the line, one (who would be 723,968.GWRGENAU ab IDNERTH born c.1070) had a brother Madog who was the only man in the pedigree to be historically confirmed (DWB). Madog died in 1140, and his pedigree is given by Bartrum as Elystan Glodrydd 1, with his descendants given in E G 33. The patriarch Elystan Glodrydd would be numbered as 5,791,744.

11.ELIZABETH Line 45,456.WATKIN WINTER (est b.1200 - ?)

Lewys ab Edwin described him in Peniarth 132 p.127 as Watkin Winter of Carmarthen, but Bartrum gives no more information about him in the family pedigree (Winter). James has no reference to this name, but several other men named Winter were presumably related.

45.MEDDEFUS Line 46,080.MAREDUDD ap RHYDDERCH ap BLEDRI (est b.1140 - ?)

In Bartrum’s Children of the lord Rhys (p.99), MAREDUDD was said to be lord of Gwynfe near Cwrt Bryn-y-beirdd in Carmarthenshire, but apart form this comment we found nothing on him except his name in Bartrum’s pedigree Cydifor Fawr 6.

355.ELEN and DWNN Lines   48,256.CADWGAN ap GRUFFUDD FYCHAN (est b.1170 - ?)

Besides his two sons, CADWGAN’s pedigree (Bartrum’s Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 1) shows a brother Philip who is possibly 90,128. PHILIP ap GRUFFUDD FYCHAN, an ancestor of 5633.JOAN f. MADOG who married into the long male line of 11.ELIZABETH. But Philip’s status is uncertain, because another pedigree used by Bartrum shows him as the son of a different Gruffudd.

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2577.MARGRED Line 82,464.RHYS ap BLEDRI ap CYDIFOR FAWR (est b.1110 - 1194)

Francis Jones wrote that RHYS died in 1194, but did not reveal his source ("Knights," p.21). See the entry of 329,976.CYDIFOR FAWR for Jones’s reference to RHYS’s castle in Cilsant and the grant of land to St. John’s Hospitallers in Pembs. Though we found no other documentation, Jones also writes that RHYS’S son 41,232.ARON "inherited extensive properties on the old Carmarthenshire-Pembrokeshire borders" (p.21), so there should be documentation for RHYS as well as ARON. Obviously more study is needed.

11.ELIZABETH Line 90,112.GRONWY ab EINION ap LLYWARCH (est b.1170 - ?)

The pedigree given in Einion ap Llywarch 4 shows GRONWY as the father of 12,034.RHYS in the line of 47.JANE BOWEN, and of 45,056.IORWERTH in the male line of ELIZABETH. He was one of several sons of the patriarch EINION ap LLYWARCH, but we know nothing else about him.

5633.JOAN Line 90,128.PHILIP ap GRUFFUDD (est b.1170 - aft 1223)

He is given in the pedigrees Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 1and 8, and according to Bartrum, PHILIP appears under the date 1223 in Brut y Tywysogion (Chronicle of the Princes), which was first compiled later in that century. Dwnn says that "he burnt the town of Cydweli" (Vol, I, p. 21). The pedigrees used by Bartrum differ in the identification of his father GRUFFUDD; they either make him a grandson of Cadwgan or a grandson of Cadwgan’s brother 193,024.GRUFFUDD in the DWNN line. So PHILIP’S line is joined to the DWNN line either at 96,512,GRUFFUDD FYCHAN (whose number would be 180,256 in PHILIP’S line labelled for his descendant JOAN) or at 386,048.LLYWELYN ap GWRGAN. In view of this uncertainty we do not continue this line.

45.MEDDEFUS Line 92,160.RHYDDERCH ap BLEDRI ap CYDIFOR FAWR (est b.1100 - ?)

RHYDDERCH was one of several men claimed in Bartrum’s pedigree Cydifor Fawr 1in the line of 2577.MARGRED (and of 3040.LLYWELYN whose truncated line we dismiss because it lacks at least three generations).
 

355.ELEN and DWNN Lines 96,512.GRUFFUDD FYCHAN (est b.1130 - ?)

RHYDDERCH was one of several men claimed in Bartrum’s pedigree Cydifor Fawr 1 as sons of BLEDRI LATIMER, including 82,464 RHYS in the line of 2577.MARGRED (and that of 3040.LLYWELYN whose truncated line we dismiss because it lacks at least three generations).

96,513.ARDDWN f. RICHARD (est b.1140 - ?)

ARDDWN’s pedigree in Einion ap Gollwyn 1 gives her as a granddaughter of the patriarch Einion ap Gollwyn, but provides no further information.

18th Generation back from ?Margaretta Prichard

45.MEDDEFUS and 2577.MARGRED Lines 164,928.BLEDRI LATIMER ap CYDIFOR (est b.1070 - d.aft 1130)

The lack of historical documentation for the individuals in our lines from 45.MEDDEFUS and 2577.MARGRED make our claim to BLEDRI very tentative at best. The DWB says he was the third son of Cydifor Fawr. BLEDRI is well known as a Welsh interpreter for the Normans and was named by his Latin epithet Latimerius, but we don’t know where he was schooled or why he chose to interpret for the Normans instead of battle them. He is often called a Norman collaborator, and R.R.Davies interprets his actions as at least expedient: "The Welsh quickly learnt the art and benefits of service to the Norman invaders. Bledri ap Cydifor was a notable early example: he took charge of the new castle at Laugharne for its Norman lord, Robert Courtemain; stood firmly by his new masters during the Welsh insurrection of 1116; served as their agent and interpreter among the Welsh of eastern Dyfed [i.e. around Cilsant]; and demonstrated his affiliations clearly by donating land to the new Norman priory of Carmarthen. His example was doubtless followed by scores of others, especially in areas controlled firmly by the Normans" (Conquest, p.101). However, Terrence James believes in the likely role of Welsh family feuds in BLEDRI’s loyalties, and especially he stresses the intriguing possibility that BLEDRI was the Welshman who acquainted the Norman French with the Welsh tales of King Arthur and his knights. He “was one of the most remarkable Welshmen of his age.... If, as seems possible, he has an Arthurian dimension, this places him in a European context” (Carms Antiquarian, xxxiii, online version, p.18). In 1116 Bledri witnessed a grant of the church of Bassaleg near Newport in Monmouthshire to Glastonbury Abbey in Somerset during the Norman drive to convert ancient Welsh and generally Celtic monastic foundations into daughter churches of newly built Norman monasteries in England (DWB; R. Davies, Conquest, pp.181,195). BLEDRI was said to live on the estate of his mother in Cilsant, Carmarthenshire. In the line of 45.MEDDEFUS he carries the number 184,320.

11.ELIZABETH Line 180,224.EINION ap LLYWARCH (est. b.1140 - ?)

EINION ap LLYWARCH was the patriarch of ELIZABETH’S family, but we have little knowledge of EINION’S life.

355.ELEN and DWNN Lines 193,024.GRUFFUDD ap LLYWELYN (est b.1100 - ?)

In the pedigree Llywelyn ap Gwrgan 1, Bartrum states that GRUFFUDD was living in 1136 and gives as the source his own book Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs, which we have not yet consulted. GRUFFUDD or his brother Cadwgan was given by Bartrum as the ancestor of 90,128.PHILIP in the line of 5633.JOAN.

19th Generation back from ?Margaretta Prichard

45.MEDDEFUS and 2577.MARGRED Lines 329,976.CYDIFOR FAWR (est b.1040 - d.1091)

This claim is also tentative. CYDIFOR was listed as the patriarch of many ancient Welsh families, and lived at Blaen Cych in the north west of Carmarthenshire but moved to Cilsant, which was his wife’s home, according to the Dictionary of Welsh Biography. In Historic Carms Homes (p.32), Jones describes Cilsant standing "on a steep bluff overlooking the confluence of [two rivers, and rising] to its highest point whose name Pen-y-gaer [head of the fort] … indicates that a fortification had crowned the eminence in early days." The existence of this hill fort was recently confirmed by aerial photography (see Terrence James, “Bledri,” p.12). Jones continues with the legendary origins of the ancestral line from CYDIFOR’s wife’s father, in the story of a mythical red-headed wild boar which terrorized the district but was overcome by CYDIFOR on the hills east of Cilsant. James analyzes the claim that CYDIFOR was Lord of a very large area of central Wales, but this claim was probably dated as late as the 16th century, and his wife’s ancestry is considered legendary (pp.10-16). In the line of 45.MEDEFFUS, CYDIFOR carries the number 368,640.

355.ELEN and DWNN Lines   386,048.LLYWELYN ap GWRGAN of Kidwelly (est b.1070 - ?)

As the patriarch of numerous families, LLYWELYN ap GWRGAN must have been well known, at least as a legend, but little is now known of his exploits. We are not aware that he was historically documented, though his location given as "in Kidwelly" suggests knowledge of him. Very little historical documentation is given for any of the last four figures of his line, and Bartrum says that another two generations, Ifor and Llywelyn, are sometimes listed.